I read this interesting post which talks about spectator sports and the gap between the excitement of watching in person versus on TV. The author ranks hockey as the sport with the largest gap: seeing hockey in person is way more fun than watching on TV. I think I agree with that and generally with the ranking given. (I would add one thing about American Football. With the advent of widescreen TVs the experience has improved a lot. But its still very dumb how they frame the shot to put the line of scrimmage down the center of the screen. The quarterback should be near the left edge of the screen at all times so that we can see who he is looking at downfield.)
But there was one off-hand comment that I think the author got completely wrong.
I think NBA basketball players might be the best at what they do in all of sports.
The thought experiment is to compare players across sports. I.e., are basketball players better at basketball than, say, snooker players are at playing snooker?
Unless you count being tall as one of the things NBA basketball players “do” I would say on the contrary that NBA basketball players must be among the worst at what they do in all of professional sports. The reason is simple: because height is so important in basketball, the NBA is drawing the top talent among a highly selected sub-population: those that are exceptionally tall. The skill distribution of the overall population, focusing on those skills that make a great basketball player like coordination, quickness, agility, accuracy; certainly dominate the distribution of the subpopulation from which the NBA draws its players.
Imagine that the basket was lowered by 1 foot and a height cap enforced so that in order to be eligible to play you must be 1 foot shorter than the current tallest NBA player (or you could scale proportionally if you prefer.) The best players in that league would be better at what they do than current NBA players. (Of course you need to allow equilibrium to be reached where young players currently too short to be NBA stars now make/receive the investments and training that the current elite do.)
Now you might ask why we should discard height as one of the bundle of attributes that we should say a player is “best” at. Aren’t speed, accuracy, etc. all talents that some people are born with and others are not, just like height? Definitely so, but ask yourself this question. If a guy stops playing basketball for a few years and then takes it up again, which of these attributes is he going to fall the farthest behind the cohort who continued to train uninterrupted? He’ll probably be a step slower and have lost a few points in shooting percentage. He won’t be any shorter than he would have been.
When you look at a competition where one of the inputs of the production function is an exogenously distributed characteristic, players with a high endowment on that dimension have a head start. This has two effects on the distribution of the (partially) acquired characteristics that enter the production function. First, there is the pure statistical effect I alluded to above. If success requires some minimum height then the pool of competitors excludes a large component of the population.
There is a second effect on endogenous acquisition of skills. Competition is less intense and they have less incentive to acquire skills in order to be competitive. So even current NBA players are less talented than they would be if competition was less exclusive.
So what are the sports whose athletes are the best at what they do? My ranking
- Table Tennis
- Soccer
- Tennis
- Golf
- Chess
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January 28, 2013 at 6:47 am
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January 30, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Foo
Chess is not a sport.
But if we’re including competitions of the mind, then there’s an easy best-of-all-sports here: Marion Tinsley was utterly dominant throughout his career in competitive checkers for 45 years right up until he died, at the age of 68. He only lost seven games in his entire career, and never lost a championship. He was so far ahead of the second-place players that they were lost in the noise. I cannot think of any other player, in any other competition in the history of sport or competitive games, remotely as dominant as Tinsley was.
January 28, 2013 at 9:18 am
Roger Williams
For golf and to a lesser extent tennis, success requires some minimum money. A LOT of money. This excludes 99% of the world’s population. I am therefore surprised to see these two sports in your top 5.
Contrast this to “soccer” (football), where e.g. Pelé as a child “could not afford a proper football and usually played with either a sock stuffed with newspaper, tied with a string or a grapefruit.”
In golf or tennis even the most creative, cheapskate improvisation of a golf club or tennis racket is going to cost some money.
January 28, 2013 at 9:26 am
Roger Williams
Another factor is immediate feedback. With basketball when you shoot the ball, within a few seconds you know whether it’s gone in. You can shoot all night long, by yourself in the court. Not so with golf (someone has to go up a few hundred yards to let you know roughly where the ball landed).
January 28, 2013 at 10:05 am
julian
I agree with your statistical argument about basketball, but if you apply that to other sports then don’t you have to conclude that soccer players are the best at what they do? That is probably the sport with the most youth participation (unlike table tennis, which is specialized even within populous china), and it has huge incentives for success (again unlike table tennis).
I watched the video and was amazed at some of the shots, but no more so than similar compilations for american football or tennis or golf (sports which I’m more familiar with).
January 28, 2013 at 10:43 am
Alex F
“There is a second effect on endogenous acquisition of skills. Competition is less intense and they have less incentive to acquire skills in order to be competitive.”
Could go the other way.
Model 1: Let p_i = Prob (individual i makes the bigtime | effort) and q(p_i) = Prob(effort | p_i). Presumably it holds that q(p_i) is an increasing function of p_i. [I’m treating effort as binary in order to make this simple]. Let’s say the sport with the “highest skill level” is the one with the most people engaging in effort to try to make the bigtime, i.e., the largest effective pool of aspiring professionals. So the skill level of a sport is p_i * q(p_i) integrated over the entire population of individuals i.
We agree that basketball has the most dispersed distribution of p_i, and table tennis / soccer / golf / chess have less dispersed distributions of p_i. So is p_i * q(p_i) increasing or decreasing? Depends on the convexity or concavity of p_i * q(p_i) as a function of p_i, I think. Convex means basketball has more total effort, concave means basketball has less total effort. Like I said, could go either way.
Model 2: Total effort expended by people to win a contest is equal to total gains from winning. [True in a model with enough homogeneity across people, arguably false in basketball world if enough people have sufficient inherent comparative advantage from being tall and athletic. But with enough tall athletic people it’s approximately true, even if we happen to be restricting to .1% of the population]. So to find the most competitive sport, just add up the dollar value of benefits (including prestige, etc) across all players. Now basketball looks a lot more competitive than chess or table tennis, at least.
January 28, 2013 at 10:59 am
sourcreamus
Height is not the most limiting factor, interest is the most limiting factor.In the US there are probably 10,000 kids who dream of playing in the NBA to each one who dreams of playing ping pong in the olympics.
Also basketball is one of the few sports you can get better at alone. In order to get better at ping pong one would need a skilled opponent to practice against.
So I would guess soccer and basketball are the two sports whose practisioners are the best.
January 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Larry Thoman
“Also basketball is one of the few sports you can get better at alone. In order to get better at ping pong one would need a skilled opponent to practice against.”
I disagree with both of these statements. While many basketball skills can indeed be learned/improved alone, other than the free throw, these skills are much more difficult to actually use effectively in a game when the other team is doing its best to prevent you from using those skills. And even with the free throw, many game situations for the free throw will be much different than practicing the free throw by yourself in your backyard court without the pressure of the game situation, waving fans, and deafening noise.
Regarding table tennis, you can indeed learn many table tennis skills by yourself. Ping pong robots (www.newgy.com) permit players to learn strokes, serve return, serves, defense, footwork, transition skills, and other parts of the game by yourself. However, it is again very difficult to implement those skills in an actual game where the opponent is intentionally trying to prevent you from using those skills or would cream the ball past you if you didn’t implement the skill precisely.
In either sport, I submit it is virtually impossible to get to any accepted standard of excellence without playing against live opponents and without the assistance of teammates (basketball) or practice partners (table tennis). And in both sports, proper coaching is vital to learning and executing those skills effectively in an actual competition.
February 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Rob Smith
And what about China?!
January 28, 2013 at 11:57 am
brian
In both golf and tennis player height is a significant advantage.
In golf, a taller player has a larger swing path and can generate much higher club head speeds. Think of two players, on 6′ and the other 5’6″. In order to get the same diameter swing path the shorter player has to use a longer club, but longer clubs are harder to control.
Tennis is similar in that taller players, with longer arms, generate more force with equal swing speed then shorter players do. However, height is also an advantage as it allows for more reach.
I would add any shooting sport to your list, like skeet shooting, as there are very few obvious natural advantages. Some may have better innate hand eye coordination, but that will not become obvious until after they have competed for a while.
I would also add baseball to the list, at least the non-pitching positions. Height may be an advantage as a power hitter, but not all successful hitters are power hitters.
Lastly, I would add skiing/snowboarding to the list. Weight has no affect on how quickly things go down hill, it’s all skill.
January 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Nick
(copied from MR)
Every sport has a “minimum height.” Now that you mention it, every sport also has a maximum height. What you’re pointing to here is how different sports reward a narrower/broader band of acceptable values of an exogenously distributed characteristic, and how that limits/broadens the pool of competitors (and thus the intensity of competition).
Biology, however, is only one of many factors that determines how large a pool of competitors is.
Soccer is a tremendously popular sport – even if it only rewarded people with a height between 6’6″ and 6’7″, it would probably still command higher levels of skill acquisition than, say, competitive croquet.
Culture (popularity across demographics, geography) and economic barriers to entry (equipment costs for sports like hockey, golf, etc.) are two other factors that immediately come to mind – I’m sure there are more than that.
January 29, 2013 at 12:07 am
Thomas J
Totally agree with your statistical argument. However, doesn’t the argument limit the sports in contention then necessarily only to mass sports? There are so many not “mass sports” whose practitioners are so amazingly good in what they are doing compared to advanced hobby sportsmen which would be excluded from contention just by the fact that so little people pursue them.
For instance, take the aforementioned snooker, I played regularly for about 5 years 3 times a week. Still, the worst player who won at least a single match in the qualification round of a ranking tournament this year would beat me strikingly if he were severely drunken and had covered eyes. However, although snooker does not require (necessarily) successful players to be particularly tall, etc. it’s just a sport pursued by so little people. And those people are not snooker players because they are potentially the best in the world, they are the best out of the tiny subset to which snooker was accessible at early childhood.
Also, you’re listing golf. In my opinion the financial entry barrier (particularly outside the US) is so high that, again, it’s not a contender.
Although I agree totally with the reasoning about the NBA, reiterating that reasoning leads to exclusively two sports, soccer and table tennis, the second of which suffers from a major geographical bias.
January 29, 2013 at 12:33 am
adam3smith
I don’t quite get why table tennis tops the list and kricket isn’t even on there. No strong physiological priors, played by tons of people… agree that gold should be nowhere close to the top because of entry barrier.
January 30, 2013 at 11:05 am
haplito
How might I blame Obama for this?
January 30, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Mary Duan
When did chess become a sport?
January 30, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Tim
Where does hockey rank? Tried going skating with my wife last night and I could barely stand up let alone skate. I’m assuming it must be a huge barrier to playing the sport well. Atleast I’d think when compared to other sports where everyone can atleast perform the most basis functions like walking or running.
January 30, 2013 at 6:04 pm
stüffe
I would disregard Soccer (or Football, as I like to call it), on the basis that there really is no such thing as a “soccer player”, you can’t compare a defender and a striker working in the same team to each other, much less other players in other teams in other eras using different tactics against different opposition. So much of football isn’t expressing your own skill, but sometimes nullifying the opposition.
Personally, I would go for snooker. The format of the game require that each player is only ever (except mentally) really playing against themselves. A truly fantastic performance is very often a solo performance where the opposition never leaves their seat. There’s no room for variations such as wind or temperature, or pitch size etc as in so many sports. It’s just 1 man against physics.
January 30, 2013 at 6:55 pm
imacd
“Tried going skating with my wife last night and I could barely stand up let alone skate. I’m assuming it must be a huge barrier to playing the sport well. Atleast I’d think when compared to other sports where everyone can atleast perform the most basis functions like walking or running.”
It takes a lot of dedication and a diverse array of skills to become a good hockey player. Are nuclear scientists shitty at their jobs because they’re drawn from such a select, elite subset of the population? You must have the total package to be a competitive pro in hockey. The worst goon in the NHL, with the fewest points, could SCHOOL any rec league.
January 30, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Andrew
Of the major professional sports, it is hard to argue against baseball players. The skills required in baseball are incredible and very, very difficult. Only a tiny percent of the population meetts the minimum requirements for just physical skills, and the of that subset you must select for intelligence as well. The best baseball players are very fast runners; have incredible eyesight; godlike coordination, reaction time, and reflexes; high deree of strength and flexibility; high iq; ability to focus on details under stress; leadership skills; very high degree of physical endurance; very quick healing and recovery (162 games in 180 days).
Baseball is an incredibly difficult sport that relies on a huge number of skills. There is a reason baseball has a minor league system that can take 3,4,5 or more years for even the very best of the best players to graduate through. The difference between even the highest of the highest of the highest amateur and pro leagues around the world cannot compare to the MLB. Maybe the Cuban leagues, but even that is a stretch. I don’t know of any other sport like that.
January 31, 2013 at 5:19 am
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February 1, 2013 at 11:32 pm
jeff
Some accounting must be made for the range of achievement possible in an activity. Tic tac toe players are certainly the best at what they do but that’s only because their is a low upper bound on what they can do. They have achieved 100% of what’s possible while basketball players still have a lot of room for improvement.
Singers are better at what they do than piano players for all of the various reasons discussed above. Everyone can sing, the incentives to be a singer are stronger, etc.
Still piano players are more impressive than singers just like basketball players are more impressive than their colleagues in the tictactoe world.
February 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Anonymous
Runners in the most glamorous competitions (100 m dash, marathons) should be here. Those competitions draw from an enormous pool of possible talent, and provide relatively lucrative and prestige rewards to attract the best runners.
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