I assume that “dessert” in the sweet-stuff-eaten-after-the-meal sense is not a regular part of Chinese and Indian cuisines. So in some ways this is not a fair question, but they have sweets and they are generally uninspiring and often downright gross. My caricature, not too much of a stretch, is that at the end of a meal in a Chinese restaurant, the leftovers are brought back into the kitchen where they are mixed with sugar and possibly liquified or gelatenized before being returned to the table as dessert. Here is the very popular Cantonese dessert, red bean soup.
Mmmm… . Variations of this dessert appear in many East Asian cuisines. Indian sweets, in my limited experience, are similar.
The few exceptions I have encountered are Vietnamese and Cambodian where the desserts are essentially French.
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November 14, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Thorfinn
Are you kidding? Indian sweets are amazing and varied. However, they tend to be sold in specialty shops, rather than at restaurants. Asian restaurants in the US reflect a very, very small portion of Asian cuisine in general.
Also worth noting that sugar and milk (though common in S Asia) are relatively rare across E Asia.
November 14, 2009 at 10:49 pm
s c
what? that’s like saying all cantonese meals are bad because they’re not served alongside crusty bread, use butter, or are focused on the four classical sauces. red bean soup, or sweet rice balls, or sweet tofu blossoms, have a warm, unique, mild, fresh taste, and they’re the best ending to a cantonese meal. i also think the flavors are sometimes stronger and more interesting, and definitely lighter (compare a one-dimensional flourless chocolate cake, or a buttery orange pound cake, with lightly sweetened red beans, or chewy rice balls with sesame stuffing.)
please don’t call cantonese desserts “gross” because it doesn’t conform to a french ideal of what a dessert should be: fruit, butter, white sugar, white flour. obviously in these respects chinese (cantonese) cuisine fails since they didn’t cook with butter, white sugar, or white flour until recently.
November 14, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Ashish
Whoa there! You need to think that one through, methinks. There are as many variants of Indian desserts as there are dialects in India; and there are very many dialects in India.
As has been said above, simply because it does not confirm to one particular stereotype does not mean it’s not good.
Here’s a small sampling to get you started – but please, do feel free to try some out for yourself.
Bon appetit!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithai
November 15, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Jyotirmoy
Second what Ashish is saying here. Can’t talk about other Asian cuisines, but for Indians dessert is a very important part of food, with every region having a rich variety of its own. Jeff, you may not have liked what you have had so far, and you have every right to say so, but calling other people’s food gross comes very close to bigotry in my book.
November 14, 2009 at 11:12 pm
j r
I agree with s c, this is a pretty ridiculous post. I personally like the red bean soup; it has a light taste with various textures. Many asian people prefer their desserts lighter, without the overwhelming sweetness of Western desserts. That doesn’t make it gross. (Last I heard, slow-cook crock pot dishes were pretty popular, and they’re essentially made the same way – throw a bunch of ingredients together and cook them for a long time on a low flame. Or are those gross too?)
And have you even tried an asian bakery lately? They make some pretty amazing stuff.
November 15, 2009 at 12:52 am
problematicknowledge
Japanese desserts are quite tasty, though certainly different from what we get in the west.
November 15, 2009 at 1:35 am
kevincure
Counter the other posters, I agree: dessert is not the strong point of Asian cuisine. That said…
1) Try to find the (I believe Sichuanese) dish Basi Pingguo. I don’t know the English name, but it’s a type of caramelized apple, and I’ve seen it all over western China. Fantastic.
2) In India, try Chitrakoot, which I believe its Bengali. I think of it as Indian baklava, though the sauce is a sugar cream rather than honey.
3) Just as Japanese chefs do wonderful things with Italian and French mains, they also make a great Western dessert – the most prominent desserts in Paris’ biggest department store are from Japan! In Tokyo, at the very least, you will find many, many places with pastries and chocolates that can compete with anything in France (that is, better than the pastry counter essentially anywhere here in the US).
November 15, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Nageeb Ali
Although I am certain that Chicago will have plenty to offer, next time you visit UCSD, I will take you to a nearby snacks and sweets store that has pretty tasty (albeit not too healthy) offerings. We’ll see if your opinion of Indian sweets remains the same.
November 15, 2009 at 3:40 pm
jeff
I look forward to eating them alongside my hat, nageeb.
November 15, 2009 at 7:27 pm
The Wife
Please don’t take offense. It is just a light hearted comment about Asian dessert in the U.S. He loves Asian food and so do I but the sweet bean soups after Chinese meals are not what he looks forward to. I am Taiwanese and I do look forward to the red bean soups with the small tapioca. That is what I grew up with. To an American, beans are cooked salty in a meal and not for a dessert. Frankly, it is true that Chinese desserts are often made with beans and I agree that dessert is not the strong point of Asian cuisine. That is why they are free after the conclusion of a meal.
November 16, 2009 at 2:59 pm
jeff
What she said. 🙂
September 29, 2010 at 5:38 am
Phil
That is why they are free after the conclusion of a meal.<————-
really??? wow???!!! that comment left me speechless
November 16, 2009 at 11:26 am
Sean
I know many, many Americans of non-Asian descent who absolutely love a variety of Asian cuisines. Of that large group I know quite a few who expressly do not like desserts typically on offer at Chinese, Indian, and Thai restaurants in the U.S., and I am unaware of any who actually like these desserts. I do know a few who love Pinkberry and bubble teas, I don’t know if these count.
Jeff is just stating a preference that I suspect would be revealed as very common if you compared the proportion of dessert sales to total sales at nearly any Asian restaurant in the U.S. to the same statistic at most non-Asian restaurants; non-Asian Americans don’t like the desserts on offer at most Asian restaurants in the U.S. Maybe “the good stuff” is not sold at restaurants but is meant to be enjoyed separate from one’s meal, as Nageeb implies. Or maybe Asian desserts are excellent but require a local palette. But Jeff’s opinion that Asian desserts are bad is shared by virtually every person of non-Asian descent I know. This is simply a statement of fact, we just don’t like the stuff! Relax with the “bigot” comments.
November 16, 2009 at 11:28 am
Sean
Of course, the “free at the end of a meal” standard ruins my revealed preference experiment (which has other decided flaws, as well.
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Libby
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November 16, 2009 at 12:05 pm
J
I thought it was a fine post. Provocative, as is to be desired. I am very impressed, however, with his wife coming to his defense. In the case of my east Asian girlfriend, even comments as trivial as yours assure me at least an evening in the dog house.
November 16, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Divya
I am shocked as everyone here. There are zillion varities of Indian sweets and snacks which btw, are not eaten as “dessert”. There is no concept of “dessert” in India and I suspect in a lot of South east Asian countries. There is no such thing as “asian cuisine” btw, each region has its own recipies based on the food that is staple there.
November 16, 2009 at 2:58 pm
jeff
🙂
I had lunch at a nearby Indian restaurant today. As if they were expecting me, they switched dessert from the usual rice pudding to a fruit custard. I like the rice pudding better.
November 16, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Divya
Yes, restaurants globally have switched to the “US/UK” standard of “appetizers/main course / dessert” but in Indian homes it does not work that way. If you went to an “Indian restaurant” (and not one specializing in a cuisine) then it is definitely not worth eating there 😀
November 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm
just shocked
Hey, isn’t your “caricature” too offensive; it’s not fair to write such dirty caricature just because red bean soup wasn’t your taste. It’s like saying that people who loves red bean soup, i.e. East Asians, is eating liquefied leftovers that you wouldn’t think as food. The last statement of appraisal of Cambodian and Vietnamese dessert for the closeness to French adds a bit more classic “Orientalism” flavor to this post.
I wouldn’t think you need to love those desserts, but at least you should not disrespect them in a way that is connected with your racial/cultural prejudice. Wasn’t it enough to say “I don’t like red bean soup”? Why did you need such caricature?
November 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm
jeff
Your honor, I would like to call my wife back to the stand.
November 17, 2009 at 9:46 am
The Mom
you can put me on the stand and I will defend you! A not guilty verdict will follow! 🙂
November 17, 2009 at 10:01 am
Jonathan
On a more substantive note, it should be pointed out that *many* Asian, and particularly East Asian dishes are vegan, or at the very least dairy-free.
November 17, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Disagree
Overgeneralization of asian food, fo’ sho. Red bean soup and red bean cake are freaking delicious. I actually detest a lot of european/american desserts…berry pies are gross, as are layered cakes with way too much sugar and doughnuts and napoleons and eclairs — how are these things as good as a Sun Cake or Moon Cake? Have you ever tried mochi or taro ice cream? A lot of asian desserts are less sweet, yet with so much flavor!
Oh and I dont know where you’re getting the leftover crap from, that’s a lie and it makes me extremely offended and angry as an Asian who’s never heard of that or tasted anything like that.
November 18, 2009 at 12:11 am
guarachero
Wow. Talk about ethnocentrism. Very insidious.
November 18, 2009 at 7:48 am
Ray
What a wooden headed blog post.
Jeff excuse your ignorance as it’s often the way of someone who encounters something foreign or strange to dismiss it out of hand rather than take the time gather more informati0on and re-assess.
The reference to “Asian” deserts whilst invoking the image of liquefied leftovers might be amusing. Is probably less accurate than refereces to American cuisine as “Heart attack with extra cheese”. Each region in Asia has a variety of deserts and sweets and they vary hugely. I doubt that sweet tasting foods are treated as deserts in the way that they would be in western (read French derived) cuisine.
I’m from the UK and even I know that Indian sweets in particular are quite tasty, interesting (they make milk based sweets you know), sugary and will appeal to the majority of western palettes.
In short you need to ask some of your Asian friends to take you to the kind of places they dine at.
November 18, 2009 at 10:40 am
Lady Gewgaw
I was born and raised in Shanghai, then lived in Delhi for four years when the family moved for foreign service work, and now live in Montreal, after having spent a number of years in the U.S. and Latin America.
I understand your sense that the red bean-derived ‘desserts’ at most East Asian (a lumping together of hundreds of different cuisines–I know) restaurants doesn’t hit the ‘American’ palate very memorably.
As for the South Asian ones, they are more varied, but tend to be far more impactful to the taste buds that signal sweetness, and therefore drown out other taste sensations. That’s why most South Asian folks don’t eat these with or after a meal.
November 18, 2009 at 10:56 am
tndal
Many Chinese desserts are dull indeed. But the small custard pies are excellent, especially if the crust is multilayered and light. And the Vietnamese 3-color iced dessert drinks (sweetened green beans, jellied stuff, and sweetened red beans) are great on a hot summer day.
Some Indian desserts are excellent, although I can only partake lightly, since they tend to be extremely sweet. A small Indian milk and sugar dessert is good with a cup of Vietnamese coffee to clear the palate. I am surprised that most Indians are not diabetic, given their love affair with sugar. They must have better self-control than I and eat sweets only moderately.
Now, if you’d wish to talk about cuisine impoverishment, then Mexican pastries are a subject truly worthy of discussion. Other than tres leche and bread pudding, there’s no comparison with French pastries.
November 19, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Dibyo
I wish you’d differentiate between Indian subcontinent and ethnic-Chinese. There’s a world of difference in the cuisine and of course, the desserts.
I love Bengali sweets and I can’t stand the red bean desserts. And I stay in a country where red bean desserts are more common than the Bengali ones. Sigh.
November 22, 2009 at 12:32 am
Anna
After reading all the comments and the post, I suggest Jeff to taste a real red bean soup in HK, China or Taiwan before judging whether it is leftovers from the kitchen.
Tasty red bean soup is very difficult to make. Cooking the beans until just tender is an art. Moreover, most people know that there are rarely any “real” Chinese dishes in U.S. Perhaps the title should be change to “Why are U.S.- Asian red bean soups so bad?” This’ll probably offend less people.
Saying red bean soup is leftover is literally saying fry rice are leftovers and made from scratch. FYI, fry rice is the hardest dish in the whole Chinese cuisine. It is the first test that a real Chinese cuisine chief has to pass.
Finally, there is no gelatin in red bean soup. It is the starch from the bean.
November 23, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Anonymous
Try going to Sukhadia’s on Devon (2559 W. Devon); it’s 4.1 miles from Northwestern, according to Google. It’s crowded and a bit overwhelming, but you’ll have an astonishing choice of Indian sweets to choose from. Personally, I find much of it too teeth-achingly sweet, but at least you’ll not lump sugar-averse Chinese desserts with the variety and complexity of Indian desserts and snacks.
November 28, 2009 at 1:01 am
one thing I learned
Never have dessert in an Asian or African restaurant if you haven’t been raised on the stuff. It will be a sour note on an otherwise great meal. Europeans got dessert right; that’s about all I can say.
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June 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Max
Yo have to be out of your mind. Indian desserts are very much part of after meal enjoyments and are FANTASTIC. Next time, please check your facts before penning your opinion or view.
January 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm
GrossDesserts
I googled “indian sweets gross” and ended up at this page. I think Indian food is fabulous better than most but let’s face it the desserts suck. Compared to western desserts they are uninspired. I’d love for someone to argue otherwise.
March 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Jamie
Wat a troll. Obvious troll is obvious.
March 10, 2012 at 10:53 pm
elaine
ASIAN DESSERTS SUCK .I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE TASTED ANYTHING SO NASTY AS ASIAN DESSERTS. THEY JUST HAVE NO CLUE!! IM CORRECT EVERY SINGLE TIME IT THE SAME GELATINIZED TASTELESS CRAP WITH SOME SORT OF CREAMY RESIDUE AND BEAN CURD ,FUCK !!
March 10, 2012 at 10:59 pm
elaine
if anyone likes Asian desserts they have NO taste buds. My sons an executive chef and agrees that Asian cooking is far too high in salt and sugar and they are fucken crap at dessert making!!
July 5, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Anonymous
LOOK AT ME I AM SUCH A TROLL yeah, okay, we get it.
July 17, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Anonymous
Maybe there are good ones out there, but whenever I go to a Chinese buffet etc, the desserts are not anything I am familiar with coming from a Western background. I actually find them gross like the original poster… yes I’m sure there is a lot more variety out there but from my albeit limited experiences.
Feel sorry for the original poster for getting the backlash, but I enjoyed your post… I assumed it was because they didn’t have much access to sugar back in the day, but I dunno.
July 17, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Anonymous
sugar or wheat? I have no idea.
July 18, 2013 at 3:45 pm
meecepeece
Wow how judgemental can you get. I LOVE desserts like thatt as well as Mung bean paste filled desserts and Asain gelly and bean drinks. In this country people have learned to think dessert HAS to be full of sugar and fat and be bad for you.Asians eat a LOT of fruit veg and beans for dessert,there also thinner. I like the only a little sweet desserts. Dessert can even be savory,its the last course,and isnt required to be full of sugar,sorry but its true.
September 24, 2015 at 7:20 am
Libby
Indian sweets please from Libby
June 14, 2017 at 1:30 am
Kamchatka
Look at all the offended weebs posting above this comment.
Assian desserts are indeed gross.
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March 13, 2021 at 10:01 pm
Chef
Japanese and Indian cultures have no concept of dessert at all. They are devoid of creativity and flavors. Japan = red beans or matcha or green tea in a ball or cube. Morons. India = milk and sugar balls with nothing or rose water. Gross.
December 15, 2022 at 10:37 pm
Carla
This is so true, I live in China and I have not once eaten a good sweet/dessert here.